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    Just fitted my Oddified 6 shoe teflon clutch. Its heavier than the lbacker 3 shoe clutch but then it would be but not as heavy as standard hpi setup. I like the 3 shoe lbacker clutch but having now tried it I don't think its going to last or give as good drive over other clutches or be as reliable. After I modded it I checked it after running 3 tanks through it before fitting this. Although the mod seems to be working it just doesn't feel as half well made as this. Also the contact shoe area on the Oddifed clutch is massive. It really is huge.

    Talking to Ian from Oddified Racing the 6 shoe last longer than the 4 shoe clutches. The clutch itself cost 100 complete. You can have different shoes for it but the ones Ian recommends are these filled ptfe shoes. Basically there is something added to the ptfe to make them wear better and last longer but still give good drive. Spare shoes cost 5 each and spare springs cost 1.50 each, which to be fair is the cheapest of all the teflon clutches out there at the moment and having now got it, it feels far better made than any of them that I have had so far. The engagement point is set at around 8500-9000 rpm for off road and is non adjustable. I haven't taken it apart yet I will do that when I have to replace the shoes. But looking at it there seems to be a lot of shoe that you can wear down and a lot of travel that the shoes can go so should last a long time. The springs are much longer than the lbacker/elcon springs and the coils are not as close. I also like that big hex bolt that holds the thing on. Very little chance of rounding it out unlike the countersunk ones on all the other clutches.

    I have a sealed clutch housing so had to cut the back of it down and then file it so it didn't rub on the oil seal. But really easy to do.
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    My hpi clutch with rbinnovations cooling clutch plate, which is lighter than the hpi set up weighs 142 grams. The lbacker 3 shoe weighs 85grams and the Oddified clutch weighs 112grams before I modded it and 109grams after I modded it.
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    When will you be running the new clutch?
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    Only thing I am a bit worried about is the clutch is very close on my set up to the back of the clutch bell and I am worried about it rubbing when the crank moves. Won't cause any damage but might make a little drive. I can't do anything about it. The end of the crank is not bottoming out in the bottom of the clutch and the clutch is not hitting the back of the sealed clutch housing, so its where it is supposed to be on the crankshaft. I just think its because of my set up. But any road, there is a gap of about 1mm or so between the clutch and the clutch basket. Hopefully it will fine and will post back later how it goes and drives compared to the lbacker. When I ordered this I got it through the next day which I thought was outstanding service and it just feels real quality when you handle it and look at it. Hoping it goes as well as it feels and last a long time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vertigo Performance View Post
    When will you be running the new clutch?
    Its all fitted to the car now m8. Not had the car out yet but will be looking at getting it out as soon as I can

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    1mm should be ok, Maybe it's like the Laut where you need to crank the crap out of the bolt to get it to seat all the way onto the crank shaft.
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    Thanks m8, yes that what I thought. I know that the crank moves left and right a little and was just worried about it pressing the clutch in to the back of the basket.

    I bottomed out the bottom of the clutch that fits on to the end of the crankshaft a bit deeper with a 10mm drill just to make sure the end of the crank shaft wasn't bottoming out. But its not and its definitely the taper that is stopping it going down any further. I don't have a normal clutch housing though its one of those sealed ones and the dimensions should be the same a normal hpi setup, but maybe its just slightly different.

    I did the nut up quite tight. I maxed the torque wrench out at 105 in/lb. Didn't want to tighten it up anymore so I think its as tight as I dare do it up at present so will just have to see how it goes. Really looking forward to trying this and running it. I'm hoping that it lasts as long or longer than the lbacker 4 shoes and that the engagement doesn't change like I have had so often on the lbacker. I can't ever see that previous 3 shoe lbacker seriously being any good to be fair, it crapped out after 7 tanks. Although, after modding it, after 3 tanks of fuel it is showing different wear I still don't think that the design, or narrow shoes is really going to make for a good clutch.

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    Default Oddified 6 shoe teflon clutch

    Dam I really thought these clutches would be lighter than that, even the Lbacher for me now is not worth the bother.
    My stock HPI HR weight was just over, 100g (without bolts/washers) when new I modded a stocker not long ago and that is 87.5 (without bolts/washers) never tried because 13 or so gram seemed pointless.
    I thought the Teflon clutches was half the weight of stockers, shame.
    I no you have not got it to save weight, but for me it don't seem worth the outlay now.
    Would still like to see how these hold up, because I could mate them wi my Ti clutch bell to save quite abit overall.

    EDIT Now 83.42 bolts washers 26 alloy clutch carrier thing 25.7
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    My set ups with a sealed clutch housing so mine is a bit lighter. I roughly worked out up the oddy saves you about 50 grams and the lbacker about 70 grams. It's not just the weight though you got to have the quality and to run your titanium clutch bell you need Teflon shoes

    By the way can you make one to fit my TR HD set up??? Titanium conduct heat differently too and I don't think it will get as hot so thinking you might be on to something now and wouldn't mind trying one

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    Default Oddified 6 shoe teflon clutch

    The 1 I made I originally made for the 2 speed blackbone set up, then modded it to work with the single speed, then last mod to it was to work with the EAC. Only made 1 of these mate and the Ti was if I recall only 30, you'd have to check the thread I did but I started out with a big lump has I bought all the Ti on ebay so was well over sized for what I needed.
    Sold my lathe after I had done with making all the Ti parts, if I need quick jobs I now use works. But making Ti bells just to work with Teflon clutches is not going to really happen, the Teflon clutch are expensive, then a Ti bell your looking at the cost of rooster rails prices and not to many would pay if any. Prove in the pudding how many on here have the rooster tail set up, these are suppose to be the best fit and forget clutch/bell set up.
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    Yes it expensive to work with in time. Takes a lot of man hours machining Ti properly. Still really interested how yours holds up as I still think you are on to something for those people that are willing to spend the pennies. I think Ti doesn't conduct heat very well so it shouldn't get as hot if thats the case. I never really thought about this or running a Ti bell with teflon pads but think it could work now. I need to get some more turnbuckles made up by Jim and shock rods so will run the clutch bell past him and see how much he will charge me to make it. Don't know if I will go ahead with it but I think you could run a whole bell and it would still be lighter than these lightened steel bells which would mean more protection for the clutch, as in, no hole in it to let the dirt and muck in. Let us know how yours holds up when you give it a good bashing

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    Reverted to PM mate
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    you cant beat ians work for quality or price ive been running one of his 4 shoe clutch's for a few years now had to replace the shoes not that long but for the replacement springs and shoes dirt cheap,, any body on here using ians big disc setup that's also a great bit of kit
    its not moddified if its not oddified happydays.com

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    Thought I'd do a quick update on the clutch since I have just took off the clutch bell off. This has done 2 bashfests and most of the year. Although not had masses of use I would confidently say its been hammered and out lasted a standard clutch twice over so far. Which is good. I am really happy with this so far, it has just done what it is supposed to do and worked.

    These are the teflon filled clutch shoes which is what Ian recommends to have and looking it so far, as far as I am concerned, they aren't even worn.

    The shoes do look a bit black but so they should be to be fair and the engagement point has not shifted once since fitting it. The shift point is set but its just right and I have never felt like needing to change it. Well impressed so far. This has been running on my 29.5 FM which has moddellsport ignition fitted to it. Its the same size piston as a 30.5 and I don't feel that my 29.5 was slow or down on power so pretty sure that this will hold up to anything up to 30.5 no problems. I might be fitting it to a 32 at some point and if I do I will do a quick post on how it holds up on that. But my feeling is it will still be the same.
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